-- years. it is always been in our view the case that we have to set aside those issues, those political issues, and focus on the advantages of the law. we've been talking about that. i talked about the improvements in health care costs, the reduction in the growth health care cost that we've seen since the pass of the affordable care the affordable care act ensures no one with the pre-existing condition can be denied insurance. already a long time now for the children with pre-existing conditions have not been denied, have not been able to be denied coverage. we're focused on delivering the benefits.

we know from similar data that breaks down what people say they care nd want in health benefits are e broadly supported. the the resilience of american people, even when they're trying to get insurance, when we, because of the troubles we caused with the site, it was incumbent on us to fix. they're still there demonstrating in high volume the fact that they believe that this and want ng they need and want to learn more about. we're focused on delivering the benefits to them. we'll see down the road how the affordable care act and the benefits it provides. we'll get about the business of

delivering. >> you have said, the president aid he wants to extend unemployment insurance. you have any ideas how to play for that? i know there are ideas for paying for it. it's a plan. something we're not new to the game on. looking to congress to do what we had in the past. that's to sit down and figure get it done. to because not depriving and a million efits to families right after christmas, a, because of the economic mpact supplying the benefits would provide.

question and the point you to others who have details on it. >> what about the fear that the job creation started in the aca. are you requesting a relationship there? >> i just said i'm not suggesting a direct correlation. because there's an argument out there. and, again, in a charitable mood today. so i'm not going to spend a lot of time on it. but there's an argument out here that the aca is a job killer. and the data would suggest otherwise. creating ying it's these jobs. but there's been an argument out in a drive he aca for people in the part time ememployment. but the data -- you have to make the argument. you have to back it up with the data. the data suggests the opposite. or suggests that's not true. because there's been very positive -- the trend is very positive when it comes to increasing fulltime employment

versus part time employment. the recovery for this recession, he percentage of people going to fulltime jobs and part time jobs better than average. the , it's not because of affordable care act, i'm saying the arguments that the character is causing these problems don't data.p if you look at the depending on the if you find - we will lettter and current law take place. --that the position it's a good that time not to predict failure. congress ought to do what it's een doing which is working collaborateively to reach a a budget. and

so we had a shutdown. so i think i'm certain that our in of what happened september and october has not changed. and this is that, you know, the arm done by a shutdown is wholly unnecessary. know,he decision made, you pretty expressly political reasons back in september and that turn republicans out to be very bad for the economy. > the jobs number today, the president said a couple of days ago at the economic speech in seeing new 're not policy initiatives by the white house. everyone comfortable with the ecrease in unemployment as it has been or holding it down sooner or faster or a greater pace. what are they doing to achieve that? >> i appreciate the question.

like what the president said the other day, we need to invest in the infrastructure. the republicans used to support that with democrats. we needed to get that done. we need to when the president put forward an idea, you know, is also that and lowering the corporate tax rate loopholes in a way that would be a better bargain for jobs in this country. to invest in universal prek. e need to continue to do the things that the president has jobs to rd to attract america from overseas and to n ing home jobs from america companies that are located overseas, bring them home to build on those trends. we need to continue to build on the trends, the positive trends we've seen in the manufacturing sector in this country. epresented by the automobile companies but also by host of

signs and ive developments in manufacturing. so the president is not the east bit satisfied or complacent with where we are. that's why we really believes that we ought to have a spirited conversation about what are we going to do to reduce an equality. what are they going to do to jobs se the number of overall. but particularly the number of obs that pay a middle class wage and provide middle class security to families across the country. said in that speech that we done with e of this congress and where congress will take move, he action that he can on his own, fundamental is his preoccupation. >> you waiting on something, the nion or some other future date to allow a legislative package? > i promise not to boar you

with the numerous legislative proposals that are out there reflected in the budget and elsewhere that would grow jobs now and create the foundation growth in the future. he noted that in his speech that proposals mber of again be focused note, a se, as i was lot of them are of the nature in bipartisanave enjoyed support and should in future. he looks forward to -- he calls n everyone in congress of both parties to -- to put forward ideas that they have ideas that they think are better that they disagree with the president's narrowing the gap we see, the increasing gap in increasing upward mobility. he's all ears and looks forward

to having that conversation. >> isaac? >> you guys kind of look alike, you know? >> has the president given b any new consideration to the executive order to propose the minimum wage on federal contractors? >> we strongly believe, and i neglected to mention this, jared. this gives me the opportunity that congress ought to act on the long-standing precedent of bipartisan cooperation when it comes to raising the minimum wage, because that will have an immediate positive impact on the americans llions of and on our economy. as the president noted, the counterarguments on scrutiny do ot hold up as studies show about raising the minimum wage.

given the interest that was expressed by republicans to get to done to do it and demonstrate to the american people that we here in washington can take action. remember, the studies out there show it doesn't have an adverse businesses or job creation or growth, quite the contrary. and it doesn't cost the taxpayer to do it. so we ought to do it. >> doing something on his own and not -- >> i think i said broadly speaking not addressing this with the president is always ooking for ways to move the ball forward where congress won't do that. n concert towards a goal to help millions of americans and help the economy. i'm not going to speculate about hypothetical like that. his focus as he said the other

taking is congress action. yes, sir? >> following something else on the tv talk shows. >> i don't know what that show was. nsa, where does that process stand on the restraint? >> it's under way. president is continuing to review ideas and i think it's --ortant that he noted other an important point yesterday. not well said. he made an important point that deeply that the work done by the nsa. the others in the intelligence keeping vital to america and americans safe as well as keeping our allies safe. and we can't lose sight of that.

said in his dent comments things reflected what past things we an do and the reforms we can make that are wise without forgetting that the fundamental by our is undertaken intelligence community is make ed to and does americans and americans safer. >> we understand you're going next week about the advisory group he named in the nsa. is that the pivot point on -- >> i don't have any scheduling nnouncements on that issue to provide today. he's actively engaged in the agenda. >> three things the president wanted to see, immigration reform, a farm bill, and a budget. about to leave. any sort of timetable on those. is there any way to get those. or is it an ongoing process. talked about budget

negotiations that are under way. and when it comes to the farm effort the -- and the to pass comprehensive the ration reform, president believes the congress should act and can act as soon as possible and can act right away, the house could, when it comes to these issues. bill. farm >> it couldn't -- >> that's a shame if that's the case. they're not gone yet. they ought to do something etween now and their departure that could signal to the the casepeople that in of a farm bill that we have all the necessary elements of that important legislation taken care tural behalf of our agricul sector as well as on behalf of americans who depend on food and nutrition assistance.

and when it comes to comprehensive immigration reform. conservatives have said in the past that there are many things about comprehensive immigration reform that conservatives could take to the house and make a and including strong economic growth, including bringing people out of and making sure they get to the back of the line of the process to become citizens all of they're paying their taxes and including holding businesses accountable to everybody plays by the same kind of rules and making further improvements to the border security. making further reforms in the immigration systems so that high-tech industry in particular advantage of the talent that we see in american universities of foreign students. finding something that's a lot

the immigration reform. a lot of republicans support it. sight of that. it passed the senate with a bipartisan majority, a strong one. it has support from across the political spectrum. evangelicals, , labor.ss, it has support from very, very enior republicans, lawmakers, and former presidents and governors. so, for me, there's a real getting ty here for something significant done for future that nd our could be heralded as a bipartisan success story. >> thank you very much. nsa, when the president said yesterday he would the mend self-restraint on nsa, was that the case even if

yet sn't gotten the report that he believed the ns a's verall surveillance program is not -- hep doesn't think that he reined in to the extent of -- dissection of certain verbs? what he said was clear. it represents his belief that there are steps that we can and should take to make sure as said past that we're not -- we are doing everything we need to do, collecting a all of the information that we need to collect, because we should collect it for our safety and security and we should and can confines of the law. ut we're not doing it just because we can. and that's the kind of -- that's under whichumbrella these reviews have been taking evaluating w he is the options available to him when it comes to the changes made.are going to be

thank, have a great weekend. -- we'll get you a week ahead as soon as we can. take care. >> looking ahead to sunday, adam mith, the top democrat on the armed services committee, he talks about automatic spending uts to the pentagon and the status of the defense authorization bill that's currently being worked on in congress. news makers every sunday at 10:00 a.m. and 6:00 p.m. eastern on c-span. >> afterwards, things escalate quickly. a moment that can seem so loving can just turn and flip and be so out of control. and this is one of those days

the hidden with handgun and saying what's the deal? ou say i'm going take this and sell it because i need some money. on top of all of the other pressures, they had no money. the gun.eld ran in a room and came out with shotgun and really tried to jam it at her. and it would get her goat so uch that she would pull the trigger and kill him. what i described in the book, he wanted to.er, she "the return home" is only half of the story. follows the men of the second battalion, 16th infantry, sunday night at 8:00 on c-span's "q&a". republican mer presidential candidate john evan an and former senate bayh. they talk about bipartisanship in politicings.

labels, co-chairs of no a national organization that works with members of congress some oth parties to solve of the nation's problems. this is from the fall forum in washington, d.c. n, i'm senator o richard devlin from oregon and i stand as chair of the standing committee. as all of you know far too well, republicans and democrats on been unable tove find common ground on a number of issues. just to name a few -- budget.cal year 2014 the farm bill. and immigration reform. across the aisle has become more and more difficult

compromise seems tall to untain too climb. this morning, i have the honor national cing two leaders who can hopefully help hed some light on how our legislative colleagues in washington, d.c. and the white to come ht be able together and find solutions to our nation's critical problems. let me begin with governor huntsman. public service as a staff assistant to ronald reagan. he has since served four u.s. presidents in critical roles, ambassador to singapore, deputy assistant asia, ary of commerce for u.s. trade ambassador and most recently, u.s. ambassador to china. twice elected as utah's governor, he brought about strong economic reforms, tripled fund, and rainy day

helped bring unemployment rates historic lows. named tenure, utah was the best state in america and the best state in which to do business. as co-chair of no senator joe .s. masden. t's working to bring about solutions to attract wide support in congress and begin rebuilding the america's people's trust in the federal government. today, is senator evan bayh. senator evan bayh is a former two-term governor, served also as the secretary of state of in the u.s. erved senate from 1999 to 2011. as governor of indiana, he enacted welfare reform, cut taxes, and brought about fiscal disciplines to state's budgets. he was a . senate,

leading voice, advocating for iscal restraint, on government spending. he also worked in a bipartisan manner, something missing right now, to seek consensus on including issues, financial services reform and care.h our plenary session will begin with remarks from senator huntsman and senator bayh to be followed by what i'm sure will e a great conversation facilitated by ntsl vice resident senator curt scramble from utah, the senator pro tem. however, before we go to the omments, we'd like to share comments on you, the co-chairman no labels and governor

huntsman. >> this is senator joe manchen, my pleasure to send greetings to all of you. regret i cannot join you in person. i send my best wishes for an enjoyable and productive meeting. the strength of legislators rest in your bipartisan efforts and our commitment to serve emocrats, republicans, and dependents. it's something that we recognize that we need to work together and put the american people and common sense solutions ahead of politics. as former legislator of the reat state of virginia, i was shocked to arrive only to realize there was guilt by association in washington and guilt by conversation. as a democrat, i was frowned upon for even talking to colleagues with an r ahead of their name. that's why from the earliest days in congress, i became a member of the no labels which is truly one of the only organizations in washington

where members of congress can have an open and honest conversation about how we can our the many challenges great nation faces today. west virginiians and the american people deserve a government that works for them. r ey expect us to work togethe and move this country forward. they don't want democrat or epublican solutions, they want american solutions. we should be thinking about the next generation and how we can and our children children's children succeed in an america that is stronger than ever. we should be working together on the ways we can make america an even better country. as you gather here today, i thank you for coming together centers genda that around bipartisanship. i would like to thank your president, senator bruce starr, all of our west virginia leaders who made the trip to attend this conference. john dear friends, huntsman and evan bayh, truly bipartisanship with a focus of moving this great

country forward. please enjoy this meeting and congratulations on the hard work you do every day. thank you and god bless you. [ applause ] r governor -- governo huntsman, senator bayh and senator bramble. >> thank you very much. it's a -- it's a great honor and privilege to be with all of you here. i'm particularly honored to be with senator bramble who i had he great privilege of working with as governor of the state of utah. early in my term that if you could somehow channel curt's intelligence and energy in a productive direction, there wasn't anything you couldn't get done. you could say we got a whole lot done. evan bayh, th somebody who i've admired enormously over the years and i often said he probably thinks this is in jest, one of the reasons i got involved in public of the modelecause of pure public service that he

provided while he was a very young governor of the state of indiana. well, listen, i'm going to take couple ofo give you a reflections on no labels and why i'm involved. and it was great to hear from joe manchen. elected governors together, he a democrat, i, a republican. each other and share ideas on tax reform, on education reform. on getting things done. we love the environment on you can actually achieve results. that's the great thing of being a governor. i look at so many of the members of the utah state legislature who are here. and with each one of them, i can tell you stories about how we things done and the can-do attitude. it was remarkable. senate went on to the and became terribly frustrated with the culture that existed on that l hill, something evan knows a lot about. ournt on to china to become senior diplomat running the embassy there.

nd we kind of regrouped a little bit later when joe and nancy jacobson, who was the power behind no labels initially came and said would you like to ecome part of the no labels movement. what on earth is no labels? is it a third party effort to ind of ship wreck the republicans and the democrats. is it a bunch of mushy moderates to get together to take over the world? none of the above. ome to find that it is a group that respects the fact that we system.two-party they are endeavoring to change from nter of gravity away acrimony from the problem solving. objective, can it be done? for those of you who have been around politics for a while, you of you have, of course can change the operating culture of politics. that in a nutshell is what no labels is endeavoring to do. our goal is to change the operating environment of washington and certainly among the state capitols because we know many of ou have some of the same

problems of grid lock. nd sort of the blame game and extreme partisanship that we have here in washington. the bjective is to change operating environment of politics -- lofty and about ional, no question it. critical for this country. absolutely. so why is it that i'm involved beyond thinking that's a pretty good objective, and doable, i might add. second, i would also lived abroad four times. countries that would be considered our -- our greatest competition in the 21st century. i lived in taiwan, i lived in singapore, i live in china. their have gone to schools. i used to serve on the economic development board of singapore, perhaps the most competitive nation in the world today. i've seen what they're doing to prepare for the 21st century. and i say we sit here in the greatest nation on earth. we have all of the assets in our disposal. we have so many things going for

uh us. for the dysfunction of politics, with ear ready to grow, we're ready to get on in the next chapter in this country. but for whatever reason, politics is holding us back. our inability to problem solve, our inability to plan solutions and get the work of the american people done. i don't care if you're a republican or democrat, there so some issue that are transcendent and important to the people of this nation, we have to identify what they are and get on with it. it isn't about ideology. a ryone in this room shares different approach to the issues. we all have our own ideology. it's about extreme partisanship which is made for problem solving to be practically impossible for this country today. so we're setting out on a fairly ambitious and bold agenda to try to change that operating culture. we know we're going to have to in a few things present order for it to be considered a success. ne, we have to prove the concept which when he ear doing by the group of problem solvers that we put together on capitol

hill. you can imagine, you know, we started beginning of the year ith nobody as part of the problem solvers's caucus on capitol hill. now we have 90. some from the senate, sfrom that. that have ear meeting every week. forward someutting sifrping pieces of legislation to prove the point that the epublicans and democrats can build for us and get some work done. you can imagine what they're going to be able to do by this time next year. that's step number one. step number two i think there's state and ance for local leaders as well, in terms focus tong the overall problem solving. third, i suspect over a short period of time a large grassroots network of people who are looking for problem solvers in their elected officials, probably a million people in every congressional district in this country is what we want to have in the next several months. i think we're a good part of the way there. so if you think of no labels, i

think of problem solving. i want you to think of a group that's also proving the concept. it isn't just catchy phrases and nice sound bites, but we're we're justneedle and getting it going. and i'm excited about where this is leading to, because we have nation.e in this we have no choice. ahead will have to be about problem solving. t will be about getting taxes right, debt right, education right, getting the foundational building blocks of this nation in a place where we can actually get our house in order. that's what it so desperately needed right now. so we're delighted to be here. we thank you for listening here. thank you for what you're doing to chair this segment. floez be with you. >> thank you, governor. senator bayh. >> thank you, senator bramble.

like to thank our eulogy he n for the provided governor huntsman and myself. not often am i introduced just the way i wrote it. i'm grateful for all of the things he was kind enough to repeat. a pleasure to be with my friend and colleague, governor huntsman. i admire john huntsman. a mutual admiration thing going here. successful governor. could have done any number of things with his life, coming from the family that he came from. he decided to devote himself to public service. and in particular, it's hard to answer the call when the other political party reaches out. there's a price to be paid to your own group. hen the current president is served as ambassador to our country, the most important ilateral relationship we have in the world today, john huntsman didn't make a political of some kind, he said i'll serve my country and figure out the politics later

on. i'm proud to be with you and particularly work with john and no labels to try and solve what biggest challenge that we face. people sometimes say what are we going to do about the budget? to do about oing health care, education, all of the other things? my response is we're not going to get to any of that until we can first deal with the political dysfunction. attempting at we're to do. little bit like a like a fish pushing a bolder up the hill. but we've got to try. is this mic okay? it's usually the mics that you on't see that get you in trouble in washington. [ applause ] nsa,o to our friends at the we say hello, we think you're doing a great job. in any event, the senators are famous for speaking at great lengths. i won't do that to you today. that i have st say a great deal of admiration for state legislators.

developed that in my own right when i became governor. is senator long still here? senator -- i see pat. pat, raise your hand. senator wong and was here. i guess he had to step out. i was elected t, governor at the ripe old age of 32. my birthday was in september i matured. 33.ook office when i was i did not serve in the state legislature. i had served as secretary of state. i'd been involved politically. but i had a chance to get to senate members of the and the house the way i would like to and i did over the next eight years. pretty quickly, john, probably the same way in saying in ve a indiana that governor proposes, state legislature, disposes. so i realized we needed to try to find common ground. and i had to challenge right away in my eight years, my last two years, the republican party had a majority in the house, the

republican party had a majority all eight years of the state senate. he last two years, the republicans had a majority. the middle four years, the democratic party had a majority. my first two years, and here's why i mentioned this as pat house ofall, our state representatives was split 50-50. well, there's no constitutional mechanism for breaking the tie. and i was then sitting secretary hasn't resigned to become governor yet. the secretary of state, one of ibilities is to preside over the organization of the house until they elect the speaker. which they were incapable of doing. on and on.this went one point, the gentleman, we know who he was. an individual came to see me. he said, governor, i want you to know this, i want you to gavel me in as speaker. i said, okay. i said, well, i don't think so. i knew that would forever poison my relationship with the republicans in the state

legislature. so long story short, the reason i tell the tale is that the end, reached.omise was and we had two speakers. days.alternated we called them stereospeakers. had two ommittee chairman. they alternated days. well, in the beginning of this thing, everybody thought it was going to be disaster. work?s this going to nothing is getting done. constant fighting and acrimony and so forth. today if you visit the house of representatives' chamber, there's a plaque on the wall commemorating the historic -- historicit uses -- the evenly divided session of the state general assembly. because neither side was able to impose its will, it dawned on to pour that they had some kind of consensus if anything was going to get done. ended upy, that's what happening. and we need more of that in

washington dc today. final thing i would say. by the way, one other thing -- john, you'll appreciate this. one other thing if you see in see the na house, you speaker there and they had every picture of every legislative team. so respect for state legislators runs in the family. my father had the privilege of being elected speaker of our house at the ripe old age of 30. he reason for that is in 1956 in the eisenhower landslide, the house in indiana was like 75 democrats, and 25 nobody cared to be minority leader. it didn't matter. it.aid i'll do he was elected minority leader for a variety of reasons. two years later, the young man the housed speaker of of representatives. the reason i tell that tale, a a picture from that year, pat will know what i'm talking about. they're sitting through in their blue shirts. my dad was a farmer. i was born in the farm. wing tipped black

shoes, white sox. ake the boy off of the farm, can't take the farm out of the boy. in any event, i think -- and i'm saying conclude by this, what this town needs this, is what no labels is working to promote. if you're interested, i think next june, next year we'll have a gathering of state legislators, both parties, house and senate, to try to build on the progress we've made here in washington. try to find a way to work together. we're not going to agree on everything. there are differences of opinion. we can't afford to do nothing in the face of a rapidly changing our problems continue to compound. so the two things i end up by saying, i'm reminded of something the civil rights leader when he said we may have arrived on these shores in different ships, but we're all now.e same boat what's going on in this town is that too often, the two parties, you think they're from different countries. they view the other side as the

nemy, not the fell blow citizens with whom they occasionally disagree. but in the long run, they have he sate fate, interests in common. we have to reconcile our differences, not accentuate them. but we forget we come from a common country and common a common nd for sure destiny. final thing i say, this is something that no labels is working to overcome. in this city today, what all of do every section is forge principle compromise, the word compromise, back in the dale, my father's time, that was statesmanship. today it's a act of betrayal. your don't work with party 100% of the time, you're ostracized, there's something wrong with you. you can see this on cable tv and a variety of other things. i'll finish by recounting words that lyndon johnson, a master legislator, said once. e grew up poor in the hill country in texas. and his family couldn't always

were or granted that they going to have enough to keep the roof over their head or keep food on the table. is the thought i'll leave you with. jobson once said any man not willing to compromise, well, that man never went to bed hungry. know, he said any settle is not willing to for half a loaf, well, that man never went to bed hungry. that's exactly right. the american people expect us to be problem solvers and practical providers, not happen right now. we're too intent on taking an approach which leads to nothing. having said all of that, i'm pleased to be with you here. and senator, i'll turn it over to you.

>> to all of you, if you have a -- i don't and up know where the mics are. mics.ve the so let's begin. if you have a question, stand go to you. no, ma'am elected officials might feel giving up their labels might help respond to the party identity. how do you feel about that criticism. a curt, i've been waiting long time to have you call me distinguished. that on tape.atch > the enemies are distinguished. --that was the affections >> listen, governor huntsman, during his tenure, we had a challenge with transportation and with his leadership, the largest construction project in history was agreed upon and moved forward on. and it was republicans,

democrats, there had to be additional revenue, revenue enhancements. they were not a tax increase, it was a fee increase. but we've been in the trenches together. be up privilege to here -- >> we did oh can in immigration and tax reform too. to say that the marketplace politically nevitably has to go toward problem solving. and no labels is going to do thatthing it can to create culture of problem solving. it.one else was doing folks look at no labels, they have to read a little bit of the background and see what we stand for, in a real sense, all of you have an opportunity to be part history. we're just getting going. there's nothing like this no labels movement. something has to change the operating environment politically in this country, period. and i -- i think that now that we have blown up the system, we

job sending good people back here to blow up the system. i suspect that most americans are saying now we have to put it back together again. we just have to get the basics done. we have to have a bucket as opposed to just continuing resolutions to keep the most important economy in the world going. you got to have immigration reform. competitive ave a tax code. you have to do something about debt and education. this is all about problem solving. so no labels being at the sweet where the re i think american people are and where they will be in the next couple will ction cycles therefore be in a place where most elected officials are going to want to be, not because it's the right thing politically, but because it's the right thing for this country. >> thank you. >> senator, you served in the senate for over a decade. how did things change when you were serving and how useful ould a group like no labels have been early in the career or if they changed towards the end of the career in the senate?

a good question. the senate has changed dramatically? the last 13 or 14 years. it's changed. it's just a completely different universe since my father's time. story.ll you a it was 1968, my father was running for the first re-election. democrat in indiana. the republican leader at that time was illinois, came up to my father on the senate and said, look, i know you're running for re-election. canpe you'll tell me what i do to help. that would never happen today. generation, , that they've been through the great depression. and many of them had served in second worldin the war, you know you're in a fox hole, you don't care so much for the person next to you, the republican or democrat, you know, watch your back. then the struggle with global communism followed that. o people of that generation knew there was greater challenge to the welfare of the country than members of the political

party or someone who had a ideological thing. it's thenged -- it's -- different places since my time. here used to be things -- the leaders of the two caucuses used to not campaign against each other, raised money against each other. that's common place. you can imagine how you feel when you find the person that's us osed to be working with out to do you in. and they're just did the personal connections. like real labels could play a real role. this might come as a surprise. senate, every tes tuesday, every tuesday there's a caucus lunch. one room s caucus in and have lunch. democrats caucus in another room and have lunch. every thursday, the policy committee ohsf the two caucuses meet. same thing, democrats there, republicans there. never, not once, literally not once, the republicans and

r to rats meet togethe discuss substantive issues. doesn't happen. it's that way on purpose. because the leaders of the two conferences think if there's dialogue o be this going, they'll lose control. and they can't direct the course they islation the way would like. so with no labels in play is to meeting hat neutral ground. where john is saying, you don't have to stop being a republican democrat, but you have to start being americans. we don't have to agree on everything. but it doesn't mean we can't agree on something, which is where the system is right now. kind of -- those muscles are working together and have atrophied. and the rule no labels have played is as i said provide that forum where people can start talking to one another and i think you can be surprised if you can make that happen. that we have in common than we do that divides s, the process right now is accentuating divisions and that's why no labels is working to overcome that.

>> thank you. huntsman, on that same note, if congressional leaders, theheir agenda is to foster polarization, would they be threatened by no labels? organization he get past that status quo? >> i think you're right, curt. some ill be threatened to extent by no labels. but guess what? into hreat will transform a desire to work ollaborateively once you reach critical mass, which is exactly what we're doing on capitol hill. 20, 30 members of ae problem solver's caucus in few short months. attention. paying they were writing paperings, should we take the effort seriously, what is it about? we're at 90. we have a list of the people who problem e part of the solvers. this is something i've never seen before, folks, in my political life. it's moving and as it moves, as it continues to meet and put

forward pieces of legislation that increasingly are meaningful that's merican people, when leadership will continue to take note. there's a viable group here. they're focused on solutions. they're checking their anger at the door. they're thinking in terms of the next generation, no it the next willing to put their country before the political party. something interesting is happening here. from a clinical trial to almost a finished product. and i think going to the next year, we will likely get real resonance with leadership on capitol hill. why? because we will have reached critical mass. that's where we're going. you have to prove the point. you have to have critical mass in order to move the market. that's where we're going to be next year. >> this is for both of you gentlemen. with cable news, if it's on the there's a right, ialogue that seems to

perpetuate this polarization. hat do you say to an elected official when they ask you to compromise when that elected faceial has to go back and the constituency in senator luger in utah, senator bennett. what do you say to the elected official. how do you convince that elected official that forging the compromises is not going to cost hem the next election because of the polarization and the perpetration of that by the both the left and the right. >> well, that's an excellent question. for those of you who aren't familiar with my state's politics the senator mentioned, richard luger served for 36 years in the united states senate from indiana, i think popular that after his last election seven years party, answer is -- my we don't run anybody against them. >> a waste of time, money, threat's focus on something else. he was unopposed. e went from being unopposed to

six weeks later losing his own 20%.y's primary by so you know, wasn't as if dick luger decided to leave the team and become a democrat, all of a sudden become a liberal. some of this happens to my party too. but it's more manifest right now. indiana is the example he didn't affordable care act or obama care or dodd frank regular latering the banks and so forth and so on, it was other stuff. but the point was -- this is the data point. and this is what has many people -- the gerrymander has split the house. you have people on the far right, the far left. the president -- the districts are drawn. all republican, all democrat. in the senate, it's two things. the fact that no one votes the primaries, which is the point i'm about to make, and the role of big money. you asked me what changed? there was a case decided by the

supreme court that now allows unlimited amounts of money to be donated to flow into the campaign. luger. happened to dick first -- this was not a secret election. there's millions of dollars on advertising. i knew there was a big election. everybody knew the election was coming up. the voter turnout on the primary, 18%. one in five eligible republican voters. the same thing for democratic primaries. who are the 8%? partisan, the most ideological, people are mad about something. turnout n get the voter up to 40% primaries, you could have a little bit different result. but right now, the voter turnout is very low. million, thing is $5 $6 million flooded in from some f the out of the state organizations which now enforced party orthodoxies. if you benefit, you have millions of dollars of negative

ads running against you. my message would be the following -- it said, look, you ay run the risk if you do what you think is right and you vote or something that you think is practical, you do run a risk of losing your party's primary. that's true. approval 't, with job at 9%. both parties and approval ratings way low, you're going to run a real risk of losing a general election. as long as you're going to be there, you may as well run the risk of getting something done politics.deal with the that's ultimately where we're going to end up, people care results than they do longevity in office. think we may be in for a series of anti-incumbent elections that will refocus ifumbents' minds on the fact you're risk averse to avoid primaries, you're going make it anyway. of the day so do the right thing. you're going to have to run a political risk regardless.

day, isn't oh it was that why you're there. >> in 1980. on. he's gone he's okay. one of them is not outstanding for him. >> speaking the truth on the campaign trail, evan? from time to e time, but you can live with yourself later on. it's a real world example beyond that which evan as eloquently shared with you. a real world example of what talking about. that would be curt bramble. i'm not here to pander. to ask for your favors here, curt. but if you look at what you did on mmigration reform and energy, just to mention a couple, and your election to say you would have textbook re probably a example of what happens when you

get out the do the right thing. you're able to get things done in the end. you have a legacy to look to. so, you know, it's more than just rhetoric and textbook theory. some of you have put it in practice. and you should be very proud of i know 've done and curt's put it in practice too. i didn't mean to embarrass you. i wanted to point that out as a real world example of what we're talking about. >> i haven't seen anybody stand. we have a couple of minutes left. any members of the audience would like to pose a question. we have senator ward from hawaii. gene, you're up. we come visit? >> hawaii is unique, obviously. not only because of the terrain but because of the political history. we have a super majority. i'm in the house of 51. my caucus is 7. in the senate, there's one

democrats. and 24 what are some insights that i can bring back. i really like the concept, not because i'm in the minority, but because this is what we are americans first, then we're epublicans, then we're democrats, but we tend to forget that. you guys are reminding us of that. how do you get back into the motivate hology to people with the supermajority who had it for 50 years to do something like to which you guys are talking about. >> i will take a quick comment and then flow up. >> only one doesn't have a strategy. we don't have a strategy. we meander along. we hope the economics will work out. innovative spirit will keep us moving in a way that speaks to competitiveness, 21st century the will be about. no labels is doing an

interesting thing. we don't know what it will look like. but we're putting together a the unitedcument for states. so it should be out maybe february and march of next year ebook.form of an so if you were to say republican r democrat, doesn't matter, we're all americans. what does the united states need to achieve for us the true greatness for the 21st century. there are four or five things we're going to have to get right as a nation, republican or they are ran sen dentally true. you're going to have to work with the majority. what are the issues you're working on. what is the strategy of the state? we had a strategy that spoke to jobs and vitality. we had a few things on the list that had to get done. the tax code had to work, work.tion had to had to have regulatory system that worked.

you had to be -- you had to be fast on the dime in working with the private sector, because they investment and go elsewhere real fast. so we had our own little strad ichlt i would guess that you sitting down, what is the strategy for hawaii. hat is it that you must get right to survive in the 21st century. that, then, defines what you're your legislative body, even if you find yourself in a minority position. you're the only republican in the state senate? >> i'm in the house. leader.ity one senator out of 25 in the senate. we are 8 out of 76. those are the numbers. >> we're trying to change your dynamic.

>> in the united states capitol, there's a saying, the other olitical party is the opposition, the enemy? the enemy is the senate. well, it sounds like your side emphasizes quantity, not quality in the state legislature. i would take the approach that a more republican state altogether. i have to tell my friends, you have to vote for one democrat to open minded. it may as well be me. okay.g about that was i just associate myself with what john had to say. inlg, ow in this day and we face a number of crises. the economy is not performing we would like. real wages have been stagnant in our country for more than a decade. think about that. at the time when the cost of college and a whole host of health care is going up substantially. real wages have been frozen. you're all familiar with the budget problems that we face. there's a growing disparity

have-nots haves and in our society. and that should concern all of us over time. allf these things are in some the interrelated with question of economic growth. if i had to pick one thing, i would agree with what john had to say. what's the comparative advantage. how do we grow this economy in a competitive world. in particular, how do we empower, again, not just give, citizens through hardwork and thrift and all those things to enjoy the fruits of the growth, particularly the third that aren't getting the education. the kids, let's say, that aren't quality of education we need to be economically an innovative global economy. that's what i would focus on. more ect you're a little concerned about the rising oceans than we are in indiana, kind of put that on the -- on the list. but that would be my take on it.

>> i joined no labels two years ago. 'm a paying member of no labels. democrat representing a republican area. redistricting got worse. 60% republs. 2005.y first election was my slogan was uniting the middle. that's still my slogan. margins keep getting better. i think i appeal to the people in my community. one of my comments use talk bout your vision is i've been thinking, now there is abeffort to get more state legislators, i'm thrilled with that. now is the time. sweeping lly make a difference. but one of the things i've been grappling with is transportation infrastructure. because i think reform is a as a stateue as well issue. immigration reform has to be tackled. ut one of the things that we grapple with is what we're going

to do with regards to infrastructure. being so excited when president obama talked about his commitment. there's and comprehensive support for that as well as other state-to-state initiatives. i wonder if you have the comment on the power of states uniting if youinfrastructure and see that as one of the economic drivers? i think we all know about innovation, creativity, and most things are economic drivers, if ou can't move from place to place and be mobile, that's eally an obstacle for our business community. >> going to tuck that away. we have state and local leaders. we did a phone call in the last few days. we had lieutenant governor, secretary of the state, senators, representatives,

ayors on the line, probably numbers 300 plus. we're getting going. we're doing this every month, having a known call and sharing next july e runup to 23rd where as evan said, we're oing to have the first ever of its kind state and local gathering. be sure to read that. labels people here in the audience. raise your hands. feel free to talk to any of them about the questions you have. side, it frastructure seemed disingenuous when on the republican side, it became a bad word. i don't know how a nation competes without adequate infrastructure. now, i lived in china most recently, and there's an example of overbuilding. you have a lot of roads to nowhere. package in 2009 that was 4 billion yen. the largest stimulus package in

of the world based upon stimulus to gdp ratio. overdone it.of but sometimes, take a flight shanghai to beijing into newark or kennedy. you get a sense that we've got some work to do in this country. it isn't republican and democrat. this is about survival and competitiveness. you've got to get people around, we have to get the products around. we're still the largest marketplace in the world. we still own 20 plus percent of the world's gdp. this is a huge market. we're viable. we're taking off when you look at the engines of growth in the future. this is important. be presented, i think, as an economic pportunity for expansion and for -- and for jobs as opposed to the red and blue, republican, democrat, msnbc, fox news. it gets trap in the silos. can't even hat, you have a rationale discussion about that.

keep doing what you're doing. >> we have time for one more question. >> thank you for being here. the he panelists, representative from k a act were republicans. i appreciate you using the bully pulpit, your position to either more age it to nonpartisanship. but the grid locks don't exist. he no labels movement consider taking on one issue like transportation and immigration reform or taxation and fixing that problem and branding that initiative and changing the paradigm that way. final s have this be the comment from both of our presenters. state and m a great one of my favorite, twin 18-year-old boys. our summer vacation we had two years ago was we spent nine days in alaska fishing and hunting and all of that kind of thing. hope to take good care of it. yes, we have. the first initiative, nancy, correct me if i'm wrong, no

budget, no pay. it's amazing. they come as a surprise to state governorss and former that the federal government had gone years without stuff -- without passing a budget anymore. so finally an attempt to -- you shaming people and so on, we said you cannot pass budget ifs you want to, but you're not going to get paid. surprisingly -- or not surprisingly, both houses passed the budget shortly there after. that was something to try to begin the process of making the budgetary apparatus of washington more functional and responsible again. we have a list of eight or nine other things. there's been consensus on. but it's going to start small and it's going to be gradual. because these problems didn't arise overnight. they're not going to be cured. no budget, no pay. and eight or nine other things that we're proposing that

there's a consensus on that will begin to show it's not just a process, it. >s a process to lead to tangible results. >> very quickly, what i said earlier you could be part of history, i really do mean that, you could be part of history. aboutels to date has been convening and building trust. that's what we've been about issues invocating any particular. you raise a very, very good point. that's what we -- within the organization, are talking about. so if you go to next year, i looking re going to be more at advocating some of the ig issues around what the strategy should be. this country just isn't right. our voice in this organization could be instrumental in shaping an agenda and helping to move that forward. because you have great clout on capitol hill here and governor in this country. i would hope whatever we do we collaborateively. for us, making history. oing for advocacy -- not

advocacy, really a convening rganization to some kind of advocacy. that's on your minds. we want your help with it. >> i want to thank governor senator bayh. it's interesting both are putting forth the notion that a liberal 're democrat, conservative republican, we're americans we should be governing, not grandstanding. for me personally, if i would -- if i would moderate this about what a privilege it would be to hear the message they're delivering. so we want to thank -- let's of applause.ound >> this concludes our lunch program. immediately following, we have a business meeting.

meeting s the business officers are up on the dais, we begin the business meeting. we ask that you all stick around business conclude the of the fall quorum. thank you. >> thank you. >> on the next washington ournal, robert zerotti discusses secretary of state john kerry's tenure so far. and the challenges the obama administration faces. after that, the center for public integrity. she talks about financial requirements for state supreme court judges. foods etically modified with marian nestle. look for your reaction by phone, e-mail, and twitter. washington journal, live every day at 7:00 a.m. eastern on c-span. >> i am a combat vet. seven d in the navy for

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speaking at the detroit economic club about the jobs and the economy. secretaries ormer of state madeliene albright and hillary clinton remembering former south african president, nelson mandela. and with the white house with press secretary jay carney. >> good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. n this nice brisk detroit,

michigan day, it's my honor to introduce dr. rand paul, the junior senator from kentucky. the united states senator. e was elected in 2010 and certainly has made his mark in just a very short time. outspoken to be an champion for constitutional liberties and fiscal responsibility. and a warrior against government overreach. proposals, rst cutting a funding proprose sal nd a plan to balance the federal budget in just five years. he has since introduced similar bills with growing support. n the senate, senator rand served on the foreign relations committee, the health, education, and labor and pension homeland security, and government affairs and the small business committee. a graduate of duke university paolo of medicine, dr.

was a practicing ophthalmologist in bowling green, kentucky for 17 years. n 1995, he founded the eye clinic, the organization that provided help to needy families and he still does that pro bono work today. an advocate for term limits, a balanced budget amendment, a act, an audit of the federal reserve. e's gained prominence for his independent positions on many political issues. now, on a personal note, senator paul is a devoted husband and father. e's been married for 23 years to kelly ashbury and has three sons. him at green high school cheering on his son who soccer player as they went into the semifinals.

our history here at the detroit to show case is interesting and diverse ideas and solutions to issues of the day. today senator rand paul will nveil his new legislative proposal to remove bankrupt detroit and other economically poverty and s from the shackles of big government. and michiganetroit welcome to senator rand paul. -- z applause [ applause ] >> thank you. thank you very much.

a deal is me how big it to give a speech to the detroit economic club. big deal that a i gave so many speeches and interviews saying i was going to give a speech that i lost my voice. and i'm not kidding. it is a big deal to be here. be here.y glad to maye's a little girl -- you have heard about her, she wanted $100. to decided to write a note god, dear, god, send me $100. i'll do good things with it. postmaster got the letter. he didn't know what to do with it. the president. the president said that's cute. don'to the secretary, why you send her $5. she'll think that's a lot of money. $5. gets the she said her parents always send a thank you when you receive a gift. she said, dear god, thanks for the money, but, you know, next through t send it washington, they stole 95%.

[ applause ] >> i could stop there because that's essentially the plan i'm going to tell you. it's an honor to be here in detroit. you for to thank aking this work, making the trains run on time. i want to thank you for letting me be a part of this. organize and getting us to detroit. think when i sort of think about this, i said, well, we need to find out something great that's going on in detroit. we don't want to hear doom and gloom. so i was looking for somebody nice.aid something i had a great thing by jack white. i thought i would have to sing it. it wasn't going to go over that well. i did find a young intern at quicken loans. she was lisa schlossberg. she said, i found out the truth about detroit. unstoppable. not because it's wealthy, powerful, and growing, because

it isn't. detroit is unstoppable because the people here cannot be stopped. city tizens of this state are the light at the end of the tunnel, the one man left standing. the underdog who actually wins. hey are optimism, promise, potential, and hope. optimism is bringing this city back. this city is not afraid of opportunity. the not discouraged about past. i love the way she put that. a young woman who believes and tic about the future of detroit. but one thing is certain, detroit's future and lisa's future will not come from washington. the magic of motown is here in the city. it's not all in some central planner's notebook. is detroit needs to thrive not washington's domineering and, but freedom from big gofrt's mastery. to thrive, detroit needs less freedom.t, more less red tape, less punitive

axes, more money left in detroit. the answer to poverty and unemployment is not another government stimulus. it's simply leaving more money in the hands of those who earned it. introduce ere to something i call economic freedom zones. that would be introduced next year in washington. the freedom zones would reduce axes and red tape so detroit businesses can grow and thrive. t's similar to what jack kemp introduced. he loved to find ways to empower eople, real people, regardless of race or family background. he called the plan a conservative war on poverty. it's time we revisit some of the ideas of jack kemp and expand upon them. i told somebody recently, this is jack kemp's enterprise zones on steroids. the bill that i'll introduce these and duce empower these freedoms. this bill will lower personal

and corporate income taxes in detroit to 5%. the bill will also lower the payroll tax. 2% for the employees. employers. economic freedom zones will cut ut the red tape to keep new businesses from starving and old businesses from thrive gt. suspend e zones, we'll the capital gains tax, encourage investment in business and realize. we will allow all small businesses to deduct what they invest in the first year of the purchase. how will this differ from a stimulus?l government well, first these zones don't don't ask or they atlanta to bail out detroit. these zones free up detroit to bail themselves out. about not just detroit -- i'm a politician, i'm concerned about my home. kentucky erned about or any zip code with unemployment greater than 1.5

average. any community in america with 12% or more would be eligible zones. freedom this would be struggling america.ies across it would include many in my home counties in my home state that are in a depression right now. it's not just detroit that's struggling, we're struggling in my state too. he freedom zones differ in traditional stimulus that there's no planner. no politician in washington will decide who gets the money. simply be left with the rightful owner. who by or the woman sweat equity earned it. stimulus will e work where traditional government stimulus hasn't orked because the government stimuluses that we've had, the money gets passed out to special interests and those who give you campaign contributions, they get the money. they can do whether anything or run the business.

those are the people who get stimulus money. in this plan, the money will stay with the people who consumers have already voted for. the people, the democratic capitalism has run through the gauntlet. the people have already proven that they can run a business. too often when government picks and losers, we wind up with mostly losers. think solendra. of your million daughters was ginn to one of the richest men in the world. why would you give a loan -- why is the president who's for the middle class to one of the richest men in the world. out people didn't want the guy's product. they didn't want the solar panel. t went out of business and we lost all of the money and we're stuck with the tab. won't c freedom zones make that mistake. the lower taxes will benefit any usiness that consumers have already seen fit to endorse. only consumer-tested winners will get the money. and through their success create obs, more jobs for the rest of

us. economic freedom zones will over ten-year period, if my bill $1.3 to pass, leave over billion in detroit. so those who say, oh, it won't work, there won't be enough calculated it, $1.3 billion stimulus, no it from houston, not from atlanta, from you. it's your money. we're not going to take it to washington. we'll leave it with you. how can anybody be opposed to this? the money won't go back to my president obama's friends. it will go to the consumer.

t will lower the opportunity costs that hold new and old businesses back and cost detroit billions of dollars a year. if we use numbers from a similar maryland, i estimate storing the storm water that every city ought to do is saving $12.2 million. it will pay for police and fire protection. other things you want in your city. we want people to move to detroit from around the country and around the world. we want to allow immigration to our company where people have capital. people are going to canada because the income tax is 15%. great is getting a lot of entrepreneurs around the world, we're losing them. why? corporate income tax here is 35%. economic enterprise zones would $50,000. the visas with let them come to our country. detroit doesn't need a handout.

jobbing now yanet a handout. just look at your history of innovation, look at the proud history of detroit. produced nry ford who a car that assembly line men and he reduced the work week. detroit was the greatness of america. government didn't do this, you did this. discover, didn't create, motown greats like ross.y robinson or diana today doesn't need to be different. we need to look at ourselves, mirror, allow ourselves the freedom to create and innovate. you have leaders like this. think of dan gilbert of quicken loans, they're pours their hearts and souls and money into detroit. quicken loan spent more than $1 billion in detroit in the last wo years and moved 136 employees in the city, creating thousands of jobs.

uicken loans and sister companies have 12,000 employees working in downtown detroit. all of the ing naysayers wrong. o to quicken loans at woodward avenue and you get a glimpse of detroit's future. detroit's situation is the a corrupt marriage, big government and big labor and big business that has worked against the city of detroit for decades. the result has been a defective overnment, declining business sector, and failing schools. make a say this to partisan point. both parties are to blame. there's enough blame to go around. both parties, democrat and admit we they must didn't do everything we could do for the people who live in these cities, in detroit. the problems we see, it means the end of time. woe is me. let's give up. they say we can't create enough jobs. we'll never do it again. i disagree. shea athe schools here will keep

getting worse. i disagree. they divide between rich and poor and black and white will only grow. i disagree. pez michl is wrong. for a moment.e we are the greatest country on earth. we developed so much capital ecause we believe in freedom and ourselves. for this to come true, we have beeny something we haven't trying. we can't keep doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. we need a new vision of prosperity. one that won't leave communities behind. politicians have thrown our money to politicians before, the bailouts, the stimulus programs, they haven't worked. the current president gave you $1 trillion. he gave it to $1 trillion. $400,000 per job. the unemployment numbers didn't budge. it doesn't work.

try something different. e spend unbelievable sums of education, but the schools are falling apart. we have to allow them to innovate. in order to change our course, we must reverse this trend towards big government. we must end corporate welfare, crony capitalism, and the limits on choice that stifle competition and education. we must encourage policies to allow the individual, for the creation of new jobs, improve the schools, and get us back to work. can't be a bailout, though, it won't work. further usz lead us path of depend si. more jobs are only one part of solution, though. we must also show we value the od given rights of all americans. in addition to the economic freedom zone, we have to have a civil rights agenda with

education, choice, voting rights, and prison reform at its foundation. be ruined fe should because of a youthful mistake. prison for d go to years or decades when they haven't hurt anybody but themselves. no one should lose the voting rights because they spent time in prison. create jobs for young people in detroit if they can't jobs because of an out of control war on drugs. minimum sentences to give drugs 15 years for drug offenses, they're crazy. end.have to it's a human tragedy. an idea of justice. there need to be new voices from either party that will say, it's time to change. [ applause ]

>> joined with democrats on this. if it were your kid, would you want to know whether it's their first crime. do you want to know if there's a chance to rehabilitate them. addiction problem or a health problem and not going get better in prison. ould you want to know there might be better solutions? nonviolent felons who serve heir time should get out of prison and be back in society. they should be able to get a job and vote. build a ld be able to life and build a family. their children should be able to look at happiness and see what happens from hard work.

they tend to be arrested when hey don't have as good a reputation and the police tend to gravitate there because they arrest people. this is going on for a long time. it's not on purpose, not a purposeful racism, but a racial drugs.on the war on it's not fair. minority communities are just the easiest targets for this policy. some say, oh, that's good politics. he growth of federal prison population is unsustainable. we spent $80 billion of your

to keep people locked up, many people are a threat mostly to themselves and not to others. 50 years after the fall of jim crow, the number one impediment to voting in the country is the war on drugs. in our state, you never get the right to vote back. a friend whose brother grew marijuana plants in college, got convicted of a felony, can't later. years hen he tries to get a job, he checks off a box that says he's a convicted felon. we destroy people's lives from the beginning. best way to keep people out of jail is education.

and to say what will work what won't. what we have is not working. may not be a magic bullet. what we can do, what we need do, is expand the options. more choices for people has to be better. the best way to provide an education is through competition and school choice, not just ouchers, but also charter schools. we need an all of the above strategy, less mandates from washington, more local control. people to give flexibility when it comes to where to send their kid to school. school choice is the civil rights issue of our day. we might be right. very part of the country that tries school choice or charter schools have seen benefits. touchdown of the time the government said if it's a school in your district, a crummy school, tough luck. i know people in detroit had enough of this. there was a poll not too long ago that said 80% of the parents in detroit would accept it,

ould take another choice if it were available. families want this freedom to choose to send their kids where send them.like to i want them to have as many possible.s >> in my county, they can go to any one of the five high schools. i can't understand how anyone could be against competition or empowering parents with choice. you have to get rid of the controls coming from washington. charter schools get rid of the top-down approach. one size fits all. band ateds that come from washington. charter kids school learn more rate.al at a faster some opponents from school choice complain, that's government money. you send government money to private or religious schools. yeah, absolutely. it's not government's money. there's no such thing as government money.

is there some sort of mythological government that creates money? oh, they kind of do. [ applause ] it's your money. it was taken out of your paycheck. if you want to take some of your money to send your kid to private school, let's do it. the president does. he's rich enough to do it. he doesn't have a voucher. the time we end up paying our taxes, we may not have enough to send our kids to private school. we should choose where our kids go. it.ic, private, you name our bill will give federal education money to the students. now, there's money that goes back to the federal government that goes to poor schools. we would attach it to the kids. don't send it to the school. each kid has it. the good schools will rise up and succeed and the bad schools

will fade away. >> we also have tax credit. it will touch everyone in the city. from the first time in the school. economic freedom zones will remove government obstacles to success. they'll provide a generation of workers, job nts, creators with a new bargain. the government will get out of the way. adult. treat you like an t will treat everyone equally under the law. help parents control their future.n's it will help creators to have workers.s for their no matter the color of your skin, what part of town you come from. other ton tried it the way. we tried the bailouts, the excessive regulation, excessive worked.n, it hasn't they tried it, it doesn't work.

we'll now try a new approach. e can meet your challenges as you rebuild your city. challenges as you can do this, it will endure and prevail. and i promise you i will work to help you do just that. much. you very [ applause ] >> my jobs to take hundreds of questions and try to get them in order. i'm going to start locally with a student question.

hat made you take interest in s. roit's issue s >> well, they're in the news. i'm a politician, i'm a republican. i want votes. more votes.eds they're not getting many out of detroit. i a physician, though, and see and want to diagnose roblems and come up with solution solutions. i think in the past, the free market will float all votes. the best system for everybody. the most humanitarian system. all of that is true. when people see specific a more , they want specific solution. detroit is a culmination of a lot of problems that a lot of not just have, detroit. chicago has the same problems. counties d, 20 rural in my state have the same problem as well. and louisville. what i'm saying this, everything

other ying will apply to parts of the country that are struggling. here's a time when big cities wore this great engine now that they're a drag. theeed to get back to where big cities are an engine for improvement. >> the next question, how do you lan on getting african-americans to embrace the gop in plan and the general. you sign my ld pocket constitution. 33.t's table [ applause ] 5% of the got african-american vote. it used to be better. in 1920, we got 99% of the african-american vote. in 1928, we were up above 2/3 of the vote. from s a dramatic switch 28 to 32.

after that, it slips us.ressively away from not necessarily the issues. we have to change the opinions and attitudes on issues. i think it is true that if you don't have money or you don't have a business, you aren't that concerned about regulation and taxings. if i talk to people who are trying to get ahead in life and aren't yet successful, it could be young people. ethnic groups on occasion. about re not excited taxes. they're excited about personal liberty. the criminal justice system incarcerate airly certain peoples in certain races. ne of the things as a libertarian republican that we don't think any individual should be incarcerated without a trial. that sounds like, oh, gosh, who in america doesn't believe that. you'd be surprised. law ssed two years ago, a that allows for the indefinite

etention of an american citizen. i ha had to debate with another senator.an i said this means you could send n american citizen to guantanamo bay without a trial? yeah, if they're dangerous. getsbegs the question, who to decide who's dangerous or not. i think back to richard joule. everybody said he was a bomber. the media all said he was guilty. black , if he had been a man in 1910 in the south, he had been strung up from the closest tree. that's why you have to believe in due process. nce we did to african-americans, because of japanese ce did to americans.

due verybody believes justice. your cell phone if your business, your e-mail is your business, i think there will be that will of people listen to us. >> thank you. [ applause ] the question says the federal auto rescue worked. much has been repaid. isn't this a success story? >> two different ways to skin a cat as far as trying to get something to work. for me, for example, a difference in government stimulation to everybody versus trying to give targeted tax getks to people who need to ahead. what i would have done, you can argue whether it worked or has t work and how much been paid back and how much hasn't and how much the stocks

i think there are debatable points on both sides. ways to do there are this when we look at the car industry and say, what is carrnment doing to make the industry less profitable. are there ways to get the government out of the way? i prefer those over a direct bailout of any industry. i know that may not be popular in detroit. i think its's better to look at an industry if the industry is to say what are the obstacles and trying to take the way rather t of the than having specific direct government payments?

we sent the bill to all of the legislators. there will be some obstacles. what i'm talking about is maybe philosophically different than what many in the democratic party belief. of e on the democratic side the aisle only believe in the government stimulus. that the government must pass the money out to people. they must go to the impoverished rea in detroit and give somebody a check so for $50,000 business. a if you give them back some of earned, a detroit gentleman came over to owning his own business. restaurant. for tax ve anything

breaks. if he has a year or two in business, that's the person that they chose him. you're not smart enough, i'm not smart enough. no one is smart enough. all of us together become smart enough to decide who the businesses are. i think that's how the money ought to be distributed. >> the question we're moving from detroit as you know is more larger washington and issues. how can you assist speaker boehner to unite the various groups in the republican party, but armed services chairman and howell rogers to unite behind controls spending 218 votes to pass a budget in 2014? really counting. >> i thought we said no hard

questions. >> it may be impossible. circle.o square the may be impossible. the reason is we have passed a budget. the house passed a budget last year, so did the senate. he house budget doesn't raise taxes. the senate budget raises taxes $1 trillion. the problem is most republican, myself included, we don't want to split the difference on that. a lot of things i'll compromise on. i'm not going to compromise on raising taxes another $500 billion. i think it's a disaster. i. >>'m trying to lower taxes for detroit. i don't want to raise taxes. it's hard to come to an agreement. divided government. most likely we'll get another continuing resolution. our country is almost evenly split. republicans and half democrats. what we believe in is very far

it's hard to find agreement. debate is good. ust because we're having discussion, that's bad. we've been debating since the beginning of our republic. a good healthy debate is good sometimes. >> several questions around the polarization and the disgust general american public has with that polarization and the grid lock in washington. propose to help heal some of that. >> i think we can, you know, agree to disagree and not necessarily always be disagreeable. some of that is personalities, how we work things out. i think, i t and i, don't know him real well, i fine. we've gotten along i've rid on air force one with him, talking about structure. trying to be supportive. there's various policy issues i haven't attacked him and tried

to be supportive on on some of the drug issues. it's taken him a while. but he's coming around to support some of the bill on andatory minimums on infrastructure. i think there's way infrastructure not only for etroit but across america we could have more infrastructure money is that all of the money it's nearly $2 trillion. it could be brought home. taxing it at 5%. 30 billion will come home in revenue. hundreds of billions of dollars in money comes home. revenue of 5%. $30 billion to $40 billion. you e the amount of money have available for infrastructure. that's a win-win-win solution. we lower a tax rate. we get more revenue. we build some roads. talked to the president about that. well, e president said, the cbo score is a loss of

revenue because it's not coming in at 35%. i thought, well, it's not coming home at all at 35%. home.oming you're right. withe have to overcome the cbo score on this. overturn all e to of the other rules. this is one we could overturn and be good. there is some movement on that. there's some bipartisanship. there's a chance we could pass that. there's more of a chance we could pass that than overall tax quite which we don't agree on. >> why are you such a proponent sional term limits? neednd the bums home, they to get a job. wre should have people who come in -- you know, when i got there, i asked if we could still practice medicine. they told me no. you want people to maintain they're not afraid of losing their job in washington.

president for the after fdr's three, four, however many terms. that's aid, well, maybe too much for the presidency in history, i go to p eight years is what we did. 12 years in the house, 12 years in the senate. if you want a lifetime, 24 years time.ong you can do 12 years in the house, 12 years in the senate. some people have longevity. 12 is better than six. you have this debate in michigan because you have term limits here. they can be too short. ut at the same time, they can also have people there too long. and i think it beats you down. i've been there three years and get beaten down every day. it's how long can you maintain your enthusiasm to try to change something. so i think fresh blood is good. >> the next question, how do you hink the republican party or conservative movement can convince our own members of

roadening the party of the minority outreach is actually possible? >> i think they have to look at the facts. harsh about our prospects of winning the presidency as the republican party. i said either adapt, evolve, or we die. that's a pretty harsh assessment. if you look at things in demographic terms. i hate to categorize things by if you look at it by race, john mccain got more of vote than bush did and lost. romney got more of it than mccain got and lost. we need to be a more diverse party. f you want to win, it's practically the only way to win again. we need people in our party that don't have ties on. we need people with tattoos, we need them without. e need people with ponytails, earrings, all different walks of life, all different colors, creeds. democrat party is more diverse. elections.ning some of the diversities, we

need. >> appeal to people in the cities. all of the big cities, we went all over the country side. to change. we won't be able to win nationally again. some people are is it you can in a rut on this. but i think a lot of people are waking up. the michigan gop knows we have going to er if we're win. >> brirnging it on home with the last two questions. what are your thoughts on obama care? like i had to ask you, sorry? >> do you have a couple of hours? i think it's unraveling of its defects and own that was -- i was telling not han that i think it's that government's inherently stupid, although it's a debatable point. it's just that they don't get the right incentives. they aren't run out of business immediately. we've also, we've -- we put into incentives.e

people who had cheap insurance no longer can buy that. it's what they can afford and it's the only way they got insurance is they wanted to have it. i was fun of them. i used to have family coverage for five people. $5,000.in my family for i had a $5,000 deductible. under obama care, you can have a high deductible and still pay $20,000. it mandated everything that guos into it. the problem is that the insurance companies are never going to offer those policies again because they're told within a year, even if you delay it for a year, within a year, forced to buy e the new policies which are more expensive. you sell bread, you sell for $1 a loaf. they say we're going force verybody to buy it for $2 a loaf. you going to continue to sell it for $1 a loaf? do that. going to young healthy people were not buying insurance because it was oo expensive under the old system. we made it more expensive.

you think more or less people will buy it? a year, it may spiral out of control where premiums come back before the premiums ions and the go up to such a degree that the system just collapses of its own weight. there may come a time that the democrats beg us to fix it. the only reason they may not is the president seems to think that he's a monarch and he seems to think that he can just fix it on his own with no vote. >> the final question -- [ applause ] a message from a student and also what everyone in the audience wants to know -- what for our plans for running president in 2016? >> where's my cell phone? can i call my wife? tell me there's two votes in my family. my wife has both of them. both are no votes right now. so if i'm a very able politician, i'll tell you in a

ear whether i'm able to persuade my wife. i don't know yet. i thank you for your interest. thank you very much. [ applause ] >> thank you so very, very much. what a privilege it has been to today. host and what a privilege it's been for you to lay out your plans at the detroit economic club. we appreciate it. you're awesome as always as the presiding officer. thank you so much. we know you're busy people. investing time with us today. and with that, the meeting is adjou adjourned. have a great day. thank you. >> on friday, the bureau of labor statistics released the monthly jobs report.

the unemployment rate dropped to 7%, a five-year low 203,000 jobs ated added last month. long term unemployment benefits the end of xpire at december for more than 1 million people currently receiving government assistance. yesterday, the white house released a report urging benefits o extend the to next year. today jason ferment said today's jobs numbers show that too many americans who have been nemployed for 27 weeks or longer are still struggling to find jobs, that's why the president is calling on congress extension of emergency unemployment insurance before it expires at the end of the year. in house and senate are both session next week. house speaker john boehner said last week of he legislative business for house members before the new year. what to expect for from both chambers, we talked to a capitol hill

reporter. gibson is a congressional reporter for politico. thanks for coming on with us today. >> thanks for having me. >> members are getting ready to wind up the year. the house is expected to gavel out friday 13 of the holiday recess. what's on the list of items they're hoping to finish up before they leave for the holidays. >> one of the biggest things that is likely to come next week on the sible deal budget. patty marie and paul ryan appear an agreement on setting spending levels for the next year and maybe the year after dealing with the sequester as well as some other revenue increasers that are new taxes. conference reports can come out in the next week. and we will see discussions on both floors about moving forward allypending bills or potenti a cr to get them over the last governmentto avoid a shut down. -- leaderhe low sissi

pelosi is insisting new health benefits. might that be an item, a hurdle to getting the deal done. allows xtension that people to get benefits for 18 months expires a week after chrys malice. the 's a policy -- democrats want to see it extended another year. being ow that's not included in another budget deal. she's pressing hard for it to be or the legislation. speaker boehner left the door open since he would be open to having another extension. but at this point, they haven't figured out how to get it done or if it's going get done. >> what happens if they can't before budget agreement the break? >> if there's no budget agreement before the break, repercussions. the government stays open, they keep functioning. they haven't got another month until january 15 to find another funded eep government beyond that deadline. e often see the bipartisan

group. >> we know they've been working on the farm bill. can we expect to see votes on that next week? >> unlikely to see that they hit some snags. trying to come back together. could reach a deal next week. a race between the farm bill and the budget committee, conference committee, trying to get something done. but a deal is going to take a lot of bringing people together, to try to find the votes necessary to pass it. and whether or not they vote on that next week is still unclear. >> just before the thanksgiving break, the senate was working on the defense authorization bill. ow are those negotiations going? >> ap abrupt stop before the beginning. they thought they would vote on it in the senate. they did not. they thought they'd redirect the investigation. they'll bring it to a vote. doesn't seem they'll happen before they leave for christmas break. could drag in to the new year. it's something they could negotiate in the senate on both sides to get a vote on. >> for the filibuster rules

nuclear because of the option, what judicial nominations could we expect to see in the senate before the holiday break? nominees to three the d.c. circuit court, one of courts in the ul country because it deals with between the executive and legislative branch. three expected to move through next week. they'll bring those for a vote. now that the filibuster rules re changed and they don't require 60 votes likely to move quickly through the beginning of the week through the senate. gibson is the congressional reporter for politico. thanks for joining us. >> thanks for having me. >> coming up next, former secretaries of state, madeleine albright and hillary clinton remembering former south african president, nelson mandela. then a briefing by jay carney, followed by former candidate evan bayh on and the state of bipartisanship in

today's politics. ext, former secretary of state hillary clinton receiving the next former secretary of state hillary clinton receiving the lanto foundation. also speakingion madeleine all served as secretary of state under bill clinton. they talked about the recent passing of south african mandela. nelson this is 25 minutes. >> thank you very much. thank you. thank you very much. thank you. thank you. please, thank you. you.